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RE:Costume Colors

Japanese site, European site, American site. You go to the character sections, and each character has their own Personal Data listed in a box of a differing color. Ninjara's box is navy and Min Min's is green. Japan's has been up for at least one and a half month from now. When this site was up, this was the first complete main color reference for the ARMS fighters (at least, concerning the Japanese version).

The site also gives each character a background with their colors. In Ninjara's case, navy is the primary color while the tealish green from his hair and logo is the secondary one. Likewise, Min Min's background features green as its primary color and orange as the secondary one. I'm not exactly sure how much merit that has, considering Master Mummy's background has white as the primary color, yet his personal data box is purple. But these backgrounds do appear in the main game too, therefor meaning that the shirts of the fans are not the only in-game reference of their main colors.

Another in-game reference are the colors of the ending splash screens, and that also has differing colors. Ninjara's is blue, like his navy shirt, Min Min's is orange, but Spring Man's is pinkish red, when most other times, his color was light blue. Kid Cobra's ending image is in cyan, which differs from his purple seen among his data box, background and fans.

And then there's the color of the package ribbons in the ARM Getter, which also differs per character. Which I don't know much of the details, unfortunately.

So when we take other references in account (five in total), it becomes really confusing which one is the primary color and which one is the secondary color. I would do both of the colors (when it applies), but that would mean I would change it for the other characters too, for the sake of consistency, which then gets really confusing when you have characters like Spring Man, whose hair and ARMS are cyan/light blue and his mask and padding is pinkish red, but his next alt has his hair brown, his ARMS and mask green and his padding dark blue. So, really, the easiest and most consistent option is to go with the color of the personal data box on the websites, or maybe the backgrounds.

I'd do the same for Twintelle, too, but her background, website color and ending image are all in golden brown, possibly from her Actress Aura. Like Master Mummy's white bandages, that doesn't even change color per alt (if it were visible from her character select to begin with).

Arend (talk) 17:01, 1 July 2017 (EDT)

By the way, if you decide to edit here regularly, maybe you should make an account. Also, if you leave a message on the talk page, leave a signature and don't place your message above older ones. Arend (talk) 17:04, 1 July 2017 (EDT)

Very well researched, and thank you for the references. However all these examples are about determining the character's main promotional color. And yes that could be their splash screen, their ending screen, their personal data box, or some combination of the above. All that proves is that when it come to the character's main promotional color it is very ambiguous.

I'm talking about when it comes to what color is associated with each palette swap when you choose a different palette swap by holding a direction. The only thing that changes by alt is the color of the fans. Meaning that if Ninjara's promo-color is light blue like his ending screen, or navy with green accents in his splash screen, or navy as his personal data box, doesnt really matter. It's that when your selecting a character on the select screen, the default palette, when compared to the other palette options, is green. And that's true across all characters across all alts.

i.e. Ninjara's promotional color is 'Navy' sure, but his default palette is still his 'green' palette among all his palette options. Like in Smash Bros Wii U, characters all have a promocolor that goes with their box on the character select screen, on their amiibo packaging, their background on the official website etc. But that doesn't mean that because DK always has a yellow background, his default brown fur is his 'yellow' costume.

side note don't know how to add signatures and such. My main edit is just to get the palette swap colors right. The rest of the site i leave to the fans that want to develope it. ^{Unsigned comment added by 76.169.177.127 (talk) . Please use ~~~~ to sign comments.}

Use four tildes (~) to write a signature. As for costumes, I believe we should refer to ARM color (if it changes), otherwise skin color, otherwise outfit color, as these tend to be the most distinctive traits of a character. Nyargleblargle (talk) 19:00, 1 July 2017 (EDT)

The goal is to be congruent with the categories that the game assigns to each swap, which is only consistent for the Fan's Shirts. Some ARMS change, some don't. Some shirts/breatplates/pants change, some don't. Some hair colors change, some don't. Some's hair matches the pants, some breastplates match the mask, some ARMS match either or, and some of that varies even in the same character (Spring Man as brought up above). Some clothes match the Personal Box color, some box colors match the splash screen, some splash screen's match special effects like Twintelles golden auras, some effects match the ending screen etc. The only thing that's always "oh if A then B", "this always goes with that", is swap=fan's shirt. This is also a really good objective measure and is easy to research, so it's not about say I think Spring Man's pink hair is distinct so that's his Pink swap, where someone else might say, the bright cyan is more distinct and the pink hair is just there, so its his Cyan swap. The shirt color everyone can agree on at a glance.

Take Helix for example, we can agree that his default swap is Green, despite the fact that his personal box and splash screen are a dark Teal color. 76.169.177.127 19:35, 1 July 2017 (EDT)

Do fans' shirts change based on palette swap? I'm not saying that we should go by the most distinctive feature of each costume (which is subjective), I'm saying that ARMS are the central elements of the characters as a whole, so we should go with that color where possible. Nyargleblargle (talk) 20:12, 1 July 2017 (EDT)

Yes. The fans shirts change based on palette swap 76.169.177.127 23:55, 1 July 2017 (EDT)

I still have a few cents to add here and there.

Almost all of the promontional colors are associated with the character's outfit in a way. Ninjara's is navy due to his... entire outfit, and Min Min's is green due to her chest padding and dragon ARM. It's not hard to determine which color each palette is associated with which color, unless it's Twintelle, whose main color is associated with her Actress Aura. It's not the same as in Smash Bros, where Roy's promo color is green due to something as minuscule as the hilt of his sword).

"It's not hard" = subjective. it's obvious to me so it should be obvious to everyone.76.169.177.127 23:55, 1 July 2017 (EDT)

It's also a little odd to associate Ninjara with the color green purely because of what his fans are wearing, due to the fact that his "green" (I'd call it a turquoise green) is mostly his hair color and accents, when the rest is navy. The fans are also the only time I can recall from the top of my head that Ninjara's main color is green. At least Min Min's orange shows up as a primary color in more than one of the five references I listed.

"It's a little odd..." = subjective. It's not obvious to me, so it's probably incorrect. I personally have a few reasons on on why i think it makes sense that his main color is green, but that's not what I want this conversation to be about.76.169.177.127 23:58, 1 July 2017 (EDT)

As with Helix's bg, I can see why someone would see it as a dark teal, but I always saw it as just a regular dark green.

"i can see why... but I always" = subjective. interpretation and compromise76.169.177.127 23:55, 1 July 2017 (EDT)

As for using ARM color as the primary palette color whenever possible, I'm not all too sure on that either. It would mean that Min Min's Black and Yellow alt should be red and her Red alt should be black since her dragon ARM swaps with those colors, and Ninjara's regular palette should be... gray? (and yes, Ninjara's chain ARMS do in fact change color, albeit subtly). Personally, I'd still stick with the promotional colors and see if it matches with their appearance at all, whether outfit or ARMS, whenever possible. Arend (talk) 22:25, 1 July 2017 (EDT)

Min Min doesn't always appear with her Dragon ARM, so the outfit does make more sense there. I'd say Ninjara's default should in fact be listed as gray, but I can see why you might disagree. But this is starting to get nitpicky. Nyargleblargle (talk) 22:56, 1 July 2017 (EDT)

Yes it gets nitpicky if we say in one persons case its the clothes, in the other persons its the breast plate, in another person its clearly the aura. Every character has Fans. Fans do in fact change color based on Palette Swap. Fans have a limited range of colors they can possibly be. If you base the palette swap off of the Fans then its consistent across characters, and objective. This palette swap produces this color Fan, for all swaps, for all characters.

And again this is only for palette swaps. Ninjara's promo color can still be Navy. That's just not the consistent thing that changes with the palette swaps. 76.169.177.127 23:55, 1 July 2017 (EDT)

Eh, to be fair, Ninjara's navy does change with each palette swap, making it as consistent as his green hair. A better example of a main color that doesn't change is Master Mummy's white drapes. But now I'm getting really nitpicky at this point. Arend (talk) 00:06, 2 July 2017 (EDT)

This debate is getting really pedantic and we're getting nowhere with it. I propose that we keep the pages as is until someone collects a list of colors -> fan shirts. If we can agree that the colors fit, then we'll use them. Nyargleblargle (talk) 01:03, 2 July 2017 (EDT)

List of Fan Shirts: In the interest of staying objective, the easiest way to see this for yourself is on Ramen Bowl in 1P Versus Mode.76.169.177.127 02:27, 2 July 2017 (EDT)

Spring Man: Blue (Default/Up) - Black (Right) - Pink (Down) - Dark Green (Left).

Ribbon Girl: Red (Default/Up) - Orange (Right) - Cyan (Down) - Black (Left).

Ninjara: Green (Default/Up) - Red (Right) - Light Green (Down) - - Pink (Left).

Master Mummy: Purple (Default/Up) - Red (Right) - Green (Down)- Black (Left).

Min min: Orange (Default/Up) - Pink (Right) - White (Down) - Yellow (Left).

Mechanica: Yellow (Default/Up) - Pink (Right) - Brown/Camo (Down - the only fan shirt that's not solid color) - Silver (Left).

Twintelle: White (Default/Up) - Red (Right) - Pink (Down) - Green (Left).

Byte&Barq: Dark Blue (Default/Up) - Light Green (Right) - White (Down) - Orange (Left). (Right and Down are switched on the wiki right now btw)

Kid Cobra: Purple (Default/Up) - Cyan (Right) - White (Down) - Red (Left).

Helix: Light Green (Default/Up) - Reddish Pink (Right) - Yellow-Orange (Down) - Light Blue (Left). (Hard to say on his Right alt. It's Redder than Spring Man's Pink, but Pinker than Ribbon Girl's Red.

Max Brass: Dark Blue (Default/Up) - ?? - ?? - ??.

(reset indent) Other than a few costumes (I think Kid Cobra's left is more of a pink, for example) that seems like a reasonable enough standard to me. Nyargleblargle (talk) 12:04, 2 July 2017 (EDT)

I can agree with that. Aside from the fact that certain Fans take their shirt color from different things (such as with Spring Man and the aforementioned Kid Cobra), there's also a few alts where the fans's shirt don't fully match with the fighter's colors. For example, Left-alt Spring Man fans apparently wear dark green, but the green on Left-alt Spring Man himself is definitely more of a bright one. Same goes for Byte and Barq's default color.
At this rate, I think it might be a good idea to make a list of all the Fans and their alts on their own page, and maybe include those details for each fighter too. Arend (talk) 13:25, 2 July 2017 (EDT)